Black Oak Farms

[NekoCookie]

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So replying to our convo about the stilt horses - yes, I do believe shetlands would be better suited rather than NABs... however I would be lying if I said that I'll toss out all my nabs so far Gotta admit, I enjoy breeding them more than I realized. So now I'm wondering... If I should mix NABs into my Belgian line on my other account. Ah, the temptations of so many possible projects... but yes, caspains and shetlands seem to be a better match up than what I am currently doing.

Also. I unintentionally bred an Abyssinian.. that I have no use for, but looks pretty. Whelp.

[BlackOak2]

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So replying to our convo about the stilt horses - yes, I do believe shetlands would be better suited rather than NABs... however I would be lying if I said that I'll toss out all my nabs so far Gotta admit, I enjoy breeding them more than I realized. So now I'm wondering... If I should mix NABs into my Belgian line on my other account. Ah, the temptations of so many possible projects... but yes, caspains and shetlands seem to be a better match up than what I am currently doing.

Also. I unintentionally bred an Abyssinian.. that I have no use for, but looks pretty. Whelp.

Ahahahaha!!! I can't count the times that i did that! In fact, when I started on the infusion line for movement in my heavy arabians, I bred not just one, but two consecutive unintentional new breeds.

And as for possibly starting from an earlier point? Eh... unless something is going really wrong with the project, you'll still get to the end result, no matter what you put into it. Some NAB blood will be needed regardless. They have some of the best and hardcore tobiano patterns. It might be difficult to get the right pattern to stick, but they have the spread that certainly helps up the legs. It just might make the trek a tad easier. Or not... could go the opposite way!

And they are Super Fun! aren't they? Among the other breeds, their color combinations and patterning certainly seems to surpass the other breeds for eye-catching.
But... well, you know how it goes. Some things will work for some areas, some things for others.

[NekoCookie]

Ahahahaha!!! I can't count the times that i did that! In fact, when I started on the infusion line for movement in my heavy arabians, I bred not just one, but two consecutive unintentional new breeds.

And as for possibly starting from an earlier point? Eh... unless something is going really wrong with the project, you'll still get to the end result, no matter what you put into it. Some NAB blood will be needed regardless. They have some of the best and hardcore tobiano patterns. It might be difficult to get the right pattern to stick, but they have the spread that certainly helps up the legs. It just might make the trek a tad easier. Or not... could go the opposite way!

And they are Super Fun! aren't they? Among the other breeds, their color combinations and patterning certainly seems to surpass the other breeds for eye-catching.
But... well, you know how it goes. Some things will work for some areas, some things for others.

It's just the darnedest thing isn't it? Also. Did not realize that darnedest was spelled like that. huh. Learn something new every day it seems. But yep! Intentionally breeding for a new breed? Suffer through breeding for what feels like months. Just trying to infuse new traits? Bam. New breed. Like darn it!

I'll be keeping most of my nabs that have the highest stockings, but I've already heavily culled quite a few that.. to be fair, I wasn't 100% sure on to begin with. I'm too cull happy, that if a horse doesn't meet my exact requirements.. yep, just into the glue machine with ya. (i swear I'm a good person lol)

I must show you some amazing luck I had! I nabbed (ha) this boy out of the AC, was 100% sure that he was a glitch... but no! Apparently, thanks to Silverine, I found out he's actually a Classic Cream Pearl! So.. it's a no brainer that all of the sudden, I want to breed him to EVERY mare I own, across my accounts. But that would horribly mess up my projects
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2976371

[BlackOak2]

Ahahahaha!!! I can't count the times that i did that! In fact, when I started on the infusion line for movement in my heavy arabians, I bred not just one, but two consecutive unintentional new breeds.

And as for possibly starting from an earlier point? Eh... unless something is going really wrong with the project, you'll still get to the end result, no matter what you put into it. Some NAB blood will be needed regardless. They have some of the best and hardcore tobiano patterns. It might be difficult to get the right pattern to stick, but they have the spread that certainly helps up the legs. It just might make the trek a tad easier. Or not... could go the opposite way!

And they are Super Fun! aren't they? Among the other breeds, their color combinations and patterning certainly seems to surpass the other breeds for eye-catching.
But... well, you know how it goes. Some things will work for some areas, some things for others.

It's just the darnedest thing isn't it? Also. Did not realize that darnedest was spelled like that. huh. Learn something new every day it seems. But yep! Intentionally breeding for a new breed? Suffer through breeding for what feels like months. Just trying to infuse new traits? Bam. New breed. Like darn it!

I'll be keeping most of my nabs that have the highest stockings, but I've already heavily culled quite a few that.. to be fair, I wasn't 100% sure on to begin with. I'm too cull happy, that if a horse doesn't meet my exact requirements.. yep, just into the glue machine with ya. (i swear I'm a good person lol)

I must show you some amazing luck I had! I nabbed (ha) this boy out of the AC, was 100% sure that he was a glitch... but no! Apparently, thanks to Silverine, I found out he's actually a Classic Cream Pearl! So.. it's a no brainer that all of the sudden, I want to breed him to EVERY mare I own, across my accounts. But that would horribly mess up my projects
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2976371

Yes... After suffering through and bulldozing with a bull-head, Every Single One Of The Recipe Quests! I can underline, bold, capitalize and whatever other extreme text-ifying marking to highlight just that point.
There are quite a few breeds that just pop. In fact, I'd have to say it's as many as 40 of them that pop with virtually no changes at all. However... some of them...
My worst one was 30 generations out, or some ridiculous number like that. Finally fixed the danged thing by using grades, and had to do so a couple times. Actually, I think the main problem with that one, is that I had too many random genes in the line at that time.
Eh, I don't need suffer through that anymore. I got it done on this account, I don't want to tackle it again on any other! (Notwithstanding some glorious reward that doesn't right now exist )

Culling heavily is the key to continuing progress, so I'm with you there. If it's not taken into heavy work, then the project can easily become something else... which, sadly, has happened to me as well... But, such is.

He is quite a nice color. I have to depend on Silverine for much of those mixes, I still get tripped up by them. The nice thing is, I don't work with them. So I save myself from the hassle, but the not so nice thing is that the community needs help with identification... which sometimes I don't get right.
Luckily, Silverine comes along behind me and cleans up.
Looking at his stats, he could either have some Really Nice hidden genes, or he could be showing you the best he has to offer... -_- Definitely a gamble if you're looking to work with stats, but not so big a deal if you're working with color.

[NekoCookie]

Yes... After suffering through and bulldozing with a bull-head, Every Single One Of The Recipe Quests! I can underline, bold, capitalize and whatever other extreme text-ifying marking to highlight just that point.
There are quite a few breeds that just pop. In fact, I'd have to say it's as many as 40 of them that pop with virtually no changes at all. However... some of them...
My worst one was 30 generations out, or some ridiculous number like that. Finally fixed the danged thing by using grades, and had to do so a couple times. Actually, I think the main problem with that one, is that I had too many random genes in the line at that time.
Eh, I don't need suffer through that anymore. I got it done on this account, I don't want to tackle it again on any other! (Notwithstanding some glorious reward that doesn't right now exist )

Culling heavily is the key to continuing progress, so I'm with you there. If it's not taken into heavy work, then the project can easily become something else... which, sadly, has happened to me as well... But, such is.

He is quite a nice color. I have to depend on Silverine for much of those mixes, I still get tripped up by them. The nice thing is, I don't work with them. So I save myself from the hassle, but the not so nice thing is that the community needs help with identification... which sometimes I don't get right.
Luckily, Silverine comes along behind me and cleans up.
Looking at his stats, he could either have some Really Nice hidden genes, or he could be showing you the best he has to offer... -_- Definitely a gamble if you're looking to work with stats, but not so big a deal if you're working with color.

Oh my goodness, I feel ya. The Hequ breed broke me. But of course, it could've also been that I was breeding multiple breed quests at once and simply got burned out... but gosh those dang Hequs! *shakes fist* I kept getting Timors. Some which I still own on my Belgian account. I gave up once I realized I wasn't having fun with the game at that point, sold all my breed quest stock, and redirected my focus back to what made me happy.. which was, at the time, I think my pony arabians..? Not sure, too many projects will do that to ya.

Ha.. ha. I'm pretty sure that's what sparked my multitude of projects when I was first starting out. I started small, with an Arabian stallion and a Turkmene mare. Then.. my wants became bigger than my ability to keep up. Such was the beginning of this account.
Isn't it odd, that projects don't quite turn out the way they should at times? I feel like I've taken so many splintering paths, only to end up back where I started feeling dazed and confused.. hm, may be just me however.

I don't tend to pay much attention to colours, and to be honest am actually drawn more to the "neutral" colour palette like bays or chestnuts. Though who knows, these nab coats definitely have caught my eyes.
Exactly! Breeding him for his colouration should be easy enough, it's just the unknown to his genetics that I am wary of, but sometimes a risk is what is needed. Hm. I really must stop spending my pony tokens. Curse those pretty ac horses I spot only to cull when they don't give me good foals!

[BlackOak2]

Yes... After suffering through and bulldozing with a bull-head, Every Single One Of The Recipe Quests! I can underline, bold, capitalize and whatever other extreme text-ifying marking to highlight just that point.
There are quite a few breeds that just pop. In fact, I'd have to say it's as many as 40 of them that pop with virtually no changes at all. However... some of them...
My worst one was 30 generations out, or some ridiculous number like that. Finally fixed the danged thing by using grades, and had to do so a couple times. Actually, I think the main problem with that one, is that I had too many random genes in the line at that time.
Eh, I don't need suffer through that anymore. I got it done on this account, I don't want to tackle it again on any other! (Notwithstanding some glorious reward that doesn't right now exist )

Culling heavily is the key to continuing progress, so I'm with you there. If it's not taken into heavy work, then the project can easily become something else... which, sadly, has happened to me as well... But, such is.

He is quite a nice color. I have to depend on Silverine for much of those mixes, I still get tripped up by them. The nice thing is, I don't work with them. So I save myself from the hassle, but the not so nice thing is that the community needs help with identification... which sometimes I don't get right.
Luckily, Silverine comes along behind me and cleans up.
Looking at his stats, he could either have some Really Nice hidden genes, or he could be showing you the best he has to offer... -_- Definitely a gamble if you're looking to work with stats, but not so big a deal if you're working with color.

Oh my goodness, I feel ya. The Hequ breed broke me. But of course, it could've also been that I was breeding multiple breed quests at once and simply got burned out... but gosh those dang Hequs! *shakes fist* I kept getting Timors. Some which I still own on my Belgian account. I gave up once I realized I wasn't having fun with the game at that point, sold all my breed quest stock, and redirected my focus back to what made me happy.. which was, at the time, I think my pony arabians..? Not sure, too many projects will do that to ya.

Ha.. ha. I'm pretty sure that's what sparked my multitude of projects when I was first starting out. I started small, with an Arabian stallion and a Turkmene mare. Then.. my wants became bigger than my ability to keep up. Such was the beginning of this account.
Isn't it odd, that projects don't quite turn out the way they should at times? I feel like I've taken so many splintering paths, only to end up back where I started feeling dazed and confused.. hm, may be just me however.

I don't tend to pay much attention to colours, and to be honest am actually drawn more to the "neutral" colour palette like bays or chestnuts. Though who knows, these nab coats definitely have caught my eyes.
Exactly! Breeding him for his colouration should be easy enough, it's just the unknown to his genetics that I am wary of, but sometimes a risk is what is needed. Hm. I really must stop spending my pony tokens. Curse those pretty ac horses I spot only to cull when they don't give me good foals!

Ahahahaha!!!!
There's a reason why I don't swing by the AC anymore.

I have a notorious side-project that developed from the 'I wonder...' or 'Ooo, that looks interesting...' splinter. That of my Dauntless Project.
All of our horses feed isn't quite right. How can a mini NOT be able to eat enough in the barn? And the overall ease of keeping? It has been skewed for... pretty much since the beginning of the game.
One day I actually looked at some belgians and noticed that some of them could eat Great Quantities of food. While others were fairly small-stomached ones (the difference of somewhere like 25kg a day to 80kg a day, a vast difference). So I did jump into such a project to see if I could make a big eater or easy keeper (came to be both). As I pushed their abilities to eat big and require less and less... I discovered a moment in time when the horses would hit their adult age and suddenly go negative. Requiring something like -1235482% for feeding. -_- It was Very Weird. I culled these, these are all outside of my scope of creating big eater/easy keepers. But the more I pushed, the more often these horses came up. Until I suddenly had no breedable stock. So I had to trash the project at that moment.
I want to, one day (and possibly soon) return to this project anew. Get AC stock and see if using empty and clean genes will result in the same conclusion.
If that's true, though I don't understand what it means, it could reveal our feeding issues and maybe also shed some new light into the feeding glitch horses we have that occasionally pop up.

I have the project notations in my farm log.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7307
The linked posts are all there as well, if you want to read through my experiments.
I have a pair of AC belgians that will work to resurrect the project anew. Some leftovers from other projects. So... yeah.

The hequ was a difficult one for me too. If you want some suggestions on breed development, I could dig up that knowledge in my head, it's around there somewhere. And I could give you how I worked around such issues. And that recipe quests topic is also around here somewhere... may be attached to my quicklinks, I don't remember though.

[NekoCookie]

Ahahahaha!!!!
There's a reason why I don't swing by the AC anymore.

I have a notorious side-project that developed from the 'I wonder...' or 'Ooo, that looks interesting...' splinter. That of my Dauntless Project.
All of our horses feed isn't quite right. How can a mini NOT be able to eat enough in the barn? And the overall ease of keeping? It has been skewed for... pretty much since the beginning of the game.
One day I actually looked at some belgians and noticed that some of them could eat Great Quantities of food. While others were fairly small-stomached ones (the difference of somewhere like 25kg a day to 80kg a day, a vast difference). So I did jump into such a project to see if I could make a big eater or easy keeper (came to be both). As I pushed their abilities to eat big and require less and less... I discovered a moment in time when the horses would hit their adult age and suddenly go negative. Requiring something like -1235482% for feeding. -_- It was Very Weird. I culled these, these are all outside of my scope of creating big eater/easy keepers. But the more I pushed, the more often these horses came up. Until I suddenly had no breedable stock. So I had to trash the project at that moment.
I want to, one day (and possibly soon) return to this project anew. Get AC stock and see if using empty and clean genes will result in the same conclusion.
If that's true, though I don't understand what it means, it could reveal our feeding issues and maybe also shed some new light into the feeding glitch horses we have that occasionally pop up.

I have the project notations in my farm log.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7307
The linked posts are all there as well, if you want to read through my experiments.
I have a pair of AC belgians that will work to resurrect the project anew. Some leftovers from other projects. So... yeah.

The hequ was a difficult one for me too. If you want some suggestions on breed development, I could dig up that knowledge in my head, it's around there somewhere. And I could give you how I worked around such issues. And that recipe quests topic is also around here somewhere... may be attached to my quicklinks, I don't remember though.

I can't help it! I am a woman possessed when it comes to the AC! I see a pretty bay with a fluffy mane and a nice long(or in the case of belgians, short) tail, and I grab it without thinking! Then of course come to hms and haws of whether I can use it or not. But most cases, luckily I find a use, but others... Gosh, if I had a reliable income (house-wife) I'd be spending so much money on this site just because of my lack of control when it comes to things I want to buy with pt.

Oh no... I have a few foals with that exact phrasing in their notes... "Ooh, keep! May be interesting!" or "Hmm, give it a chance!" ... I may go cull those foals, but then again, what if I need them in the future?
It's interesting that you mention that! Since the majority of my lines are based on AC breeds, in one way or another, surprisingly I've never come across this feeding glitch that plagues others. I always expected to, because I knew it very likely to happen, but so far it hasn't! I've always been able to change my horses weight by adjusting their feed without too much trouble. Sometimes it takes a year, but it gets there.
The only problem I have is the Bombproof glitch plaguing my lines, which doesn't restrict me too much, except in cases when I sell foals. I make sure to advertise that they're glitched at bombproof.. but some players (mostly new) don't seem to realize until it's too late, in which case they rehome or resell it as a "dud". Makes me a bit miffed, but I get over it.

Oh no, thank you though! I am not looking to get back into the breed quests for... the foreseeable future. I know it's an easy source of pt, but I much prefer just focusing on my projects and maybe doing some breed quests when I'm bored, such as the low hgp one. My goodness I did not realize how long it would take to get a 10khgp horse, but I'm getting there. Slowly. I'm currently sitting at.. 10,601 I think.

[BlackOak2]

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Yeah, I'm right there with you. My financial position is not too unlike yours. -_- So I do REALLY appreciate the ability to earn PT that still allows me to move forward on my own.

But... I would SO do the same!

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The nice thing about this game, is it is actually decently easy to find or make such a horse again. So unless you're really attached to one, for some reason, and there's a need of room and no immediate use... dump it. And yet! Hard to actually push that button... 'I'll regret it at some point, I know...' Yeah, I've been harassed by such thoughts too...

Remember though, that stuck at bombproof isn't a glitch (at least admin hasn't admitted it's a glitch), so... But yeah, I'm partially dreading returning to my leopard tarpans when I need to reevaluate what temp they need to be at. But, I did have some success, well, it's not 'some' success, it IS a success, by using barns and yellow feed, to pull newborn foals, slowly out of that stuck bomb stage. Don't know if there's a link, but yeah. And I'm not the only one that experienced it either.

I've had a couple come through my farm, the feeding glitches. I don't think any of them were from direct (or close) AC descendants... but it's certainly been quite awhile. None of these Tb's I currently have, or the lines from them, I've had a feeding glitch from... wait, I think I just lied, I think I had one. Might still be over in the boarding account. If you're paying attention, it's easy enough to catch the glitch and adjust the weight before it gets out of hand. I've done that a couple of times already. In fact, I made up a guide on how to work around it, even for competition horses.

I've done that low GP project, from scratch (with introducing the old line at some point) Three Separate Times. After working on it for... was it three years? I also shelved that one. I've gotten to a good place, but need a new, infusion line with certain weaknesses in certain stats. I need to push further and haven't made any progress... so another that's on freeze.

Those mid 10k area is the best I've gotten. Those are sitting over in Oaken Fields in board as well.
https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/view/110002
If you want to take a look at where my project is.

[NekoCookie]

"..." oh so we're doing this now hm?

It is quite nice, isn't it? Still, while I appreciate being able to earn pt, some of those player bonuses are very tempting, plus it'd be nice to support Tom and Larissa. After all, we wouldn't have HWO without them! One day. Maybe when I win the lottery, I'll buy everything. $70 for all the bonuses, and $158 for every single Pony Tokens deal. It will be glorious! but it probably wouldn't all be for myself because oh my I don't know what I'd do with all that!
side note... I've spent money on worse so... at least it'd be worthwhile!

If it isn't a glitch, then is it possible it may be a genetics thing? Hm. I am so looking forward to the vet update and diving further into breeding for certain genes. Because if it is possible, maybe stuck bombproof temperaments really aren't a glitch, but similar to how a child who has never met one of their parents turns out just like them, similar interests and temperament.

So far I think the problem with my low GP project is they're so horribly inbred, that there's no new "bad" genes for their values to continue decreasing. But when I introduce a relatively low hgp horse into the stock(say 16k or so), the GP just shoots up to 20-25k again so I dunno.

also. I feel.. well, a bit agitated and saddened by the behaviors I seem to continuously witness every time I return from a break. Makes it difficult to talk with these players that seem to pop up out of no where.

[BlackOak2]

"..." oh so we're doing this now hm?

It is quite nice, isn't it? Still, while I appreciate being able to earn pt, some of those player bonuses are very tempting, plus it'd be nice to support Tom and Larissa. After all, we wouldn't have HWO without them! One day. Maybe when I win the lottery, I'll buy everything. $70 for all the bonuses, and $158 for every single Pony Tokens deal. It will be glorious! but it probably wouldn't all be for myself because oh my I don't know what I'd do with all that!
side note... I've spent money on worse so... at least it'd be worthwhile!

If it isn't a glitch, then is it possible it may be a genetics thing? Hm. I am so looking forward to the vet update and diving further into breeding for certain genes. Because if it is possible, maybe stuck bombproof temperaments really aren't a glitch, but similar to how a child who has never met one of their parents turns out just like them, similar interests and temperament.

So far I think the problem with my low GP project is they're so horribly inbred, that there's no new "bad" genes for their values to continue decreasing. But when I introduce a relatively low hgp horse into the stock(say 16k or so), the GP just shoots up to 20-25k again so I dunno.

also. I feel.. well, a bit agitated and saddened by the behaviors I seem to continuously witness every time I return from a break. Makes it difficult to talk with these players that seem to pop up out of no where.

Instead of hitting the quote button, I typed everything in by hand and not in the full editor page.
I didn't want to loose my train of thought as I kept reading what you wrote. Sometimes I do that. I loose my trains of thought quite often.

I think I would to, even though there's a couple bonuses I don't need anymore. At least, not as the game now stands. Things could change in the future, more skills learning could come our way.
And I have to... cough...cough... Howrse... cough... waste of money! The worst thing about that is, I already knew at the time that it would be a waste. And yet, certain things were just too tempting. Eh... I knew it, I chose to do it. So that's on me.

Yes, that's what many of us think. That the stuck bomb is definitely a genetics thing. Temps do follow their parents and their parents leanings. Including how they move too. Temps that move quick, will produce children with temps that move quick. The Tb line I'm working with has a fairly average movement. One that takes 6 months to move from one to the next. But I've had them change as quick as every turn and as slow as ... well... I had one that didn't climb out of bomb for... my memory isn't holding too solid... I think it was 5 years. I have the information around here in one of these topics, I've told this to others. Then it was a 2 year changeover thereafter. What that tells me is that the bomb temperament is much deeper than the others. If each temperament had... for instance... 5 levels... then the bombproof temperament must have much close to 15 levels.

Yes, that's also what I came up against with the low GP project myself. That's why I made infusion lines. As far as the outcome HGP... you can't now, but I'd suggest you take a look at the scores versus the BR of that other line. It probably has some stat strength, or a couple of them that royally messes up your line, so instead, you're creating a foal that exemplifies both bloodlines strengths, rather than their weaknesses. But, it does reveal what type of infusion line you need to create to mix in.
I have that same problem, a couple of times. And since I'm breeding using the scores as my guide (and nobody else is), I need to tackle my own infusion lines myself.
But.. that's also one of the reasons I shelved the project.


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Yes... Me, too. Aggravated is the appropriate word for me. Sometimes I just want to yell and scream: 'LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING' and then add on some harsh nouns at the end of that. Or perhaps some adjectives AND nouns.
Maybe even a couple slaps.

It strains and stretches my abilities to communicate without adding any of these, and more so because I have to go back and rewrite parts of what I'm trying to say, to keep it both socially acceptable, while STILL getting my point across. I don't know what's more difficult, trying to say what I really want to say without coming across as downright vicious? Or reading what they have to reply back and seeing how EVERY or Almost Every point they missed. Like they never read it at all.
And yet the question comes: Are they just young and ignorant? (ignorant the nicer word than I wanted to use) Or are they choosing to be thick and... well, stupid? Which one is easier to deal with? Which one is better? Which one more likely to come around? -_-
Although, I do have to finish that thought up with: We (the community at large) have been able to bring around many, MANY of these people. Which is seriously cool, no matter how you look at it.