Tobiano Suppression - A Study

[Woodstock]

I've got an interesting one to add in here. So stockings have been present in pretty much every generation although it's hard to tell due to my lack of image taking . What hasn't been present in any generation for as far back as I have gone is any sort of body white, and then BOOM out this one comes with a decently sized back patch I know that stockings and all body white other than appaloosa spots are linked to Tobiano in game currently I have just never personally seen it pop up on the body in a big patch from just stockings being present previously.

Interesting


Anyways if either of you could provide some insight into her I would greatly appreciate it because i=I am effectively puzzled!

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Editing to add that I have just got this one as well:
Seriously?

[BlackOak2]

I've got an interesting one to add in here. So stockings have been present in pretty much every generation although it's hard to tell due to my lack of image taking . What hasn't been present in any generation for as far back as I have gone is any sort of body white, and then BOOM out this one comes with a decently sized back patch I know that stockings and all body white other than appaloosa spots are linked to Tobiano in game currently I have just never personally seen it pop up on the body in a big patch from just stockings being present previously.

Anyways if either of you could provide some insight into her I would greatly appreciate it because i=I am effectively puzzled!

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Editing to add that I have just got this one as well:

It would seem... that some horse in the pedigree was carrying Type C and it was successfully passed onward through the generations.
If Type C is recessive to the other types, then it would've been hidden until Type A and Type B were NOT passed onward. In essence, you were able to breed out the other two types of expression, for these foals.

If you don't want tobiano-body patterning, then you'll want to not breed these foals back into your main herd.

But it is interesting, isn't it! Like suddenly popping a double pearl when you thought your herd didn't have it anymore.

[Woodstock]

I've got an interesting one to add in here. So stockings have been present in pretty much every generation although it's hard to tell due to my lack of image taking . What hasn't been present in any generation for as far back as I have gone is any sort of body white, and then BOOM out this one comes with a decently sized back patch I know that stockings and all body white other than appaloosa spots are linked to Tobiano in game currently I have just never personally seen it pop up on the body in a big patch from just stockings being present previously.

Anyways if either of you could provide some insight into her I would greatly appreciate it because i=I am effectively puzzled!



Editing to add that I have just got this one as well:

It would seem... that some horse in the pedigree was carrying Type C and it was successfully passed onward through the generations.
If Type C is recessive to the other types, then it would've been hidden until Type A and Type B were NOT passed onward. In essence, you were able to breed out the other two types of expression, for these foals.

If you don't want tobiano-body patterning, then you'll want to not breed these foals back into your main herd.

But it is interesting, isn't it! Like suddenly popping a double pearl when you thought your herd didn't have it anymore.

Ahhhh okay got it!

Yeah these two will not being added to the main herd and I will just keep getting randomly surprised I guess whenever new ones pop up.

Thanks for the insight into this super interesting gene area!

[BlackOak2]

Ahhhh okay got it!

Yeah these two will not being added to the main herd and I will just keep getting randomly surprised I guess whenever new ones pop up.

Thanks for the insight into this super interesting gene area!

It is!

I don't know if I'd of been able to get my head wrapped around it. Lucky I didn't start the study! But without it, a number of other player projects may've been a bit more difficult to manage.

Lucky for all of us, there are a number of players with a number of skills around here to help publish studies for the game.

[Woodstock]

It is!

I don't know if I'd of been able to get my head wrapped around it. Lucky I didn't start the study! But without it, a number of other player projects may've been a bit more difficult to manage.

Lucky for all of us, there are a number of players with a number of skills around here to help publish studies for the game.

I definitely can just barely wrap my head around it

I get too frustrated with Tobiano and Lp to try any sort of study on them I'm super interested in how they work... I'm just more interested seeing other people work with them

[BlackOak2]

I definitely can just barely wrap my head around it

I get too frustrated with Tobiano and Lp to try any sort of study on them I'm super interested in how they work... I'm just more interested seeing other people work with them

^^Very True Words!!

[Color Guide]

I definitely can just barely wrap my head around it

I get too frustrated with Tobiano and Lp to try any sort of study on them I'm super interested in how they work... I'm just more interested seeing other people work with them

^^Very True Words!!

I just wanted to pop in to note that both the Canadian and the Shire have NAB in their breed recipe at one point or another. So it's entirely possible that the other breeds involved suppressed the tobiano expression for generation after generation until you happen to mix together two horses that still carry type C and BAM, there it is.

[Sunpath]

So, I'm working on breeding low COI Swedish Ardennais, which means I have to create new lines a lot. Because I want to try to follow the IRL breed standard I've tried to get my stock to have colours representative of the breed. They often come with face markings so for the attempt of a new line I decided to go all-in on trying to get more face markings, as my two previous lines have lost them along the way.

I identified the Arabians to be a culprit as I have never managed to breed to an arabian and get a foal with markings on neither face or legs. So once I got to the point of making Friesians ([Arabian x Andalusian] x Forest Horse) I decided to try to get myself a Half Arabian to use to cross with the Andalusian. And I succeeded!

This girl is the result of [Belgian x Arabian] x [Forest Horse x Arabian], I made sure that the Belgian and FH had face markings, AKA was sure to not carry the same suppression gene as the arabians.

[Silverine]

Good job! And yes, Arabs are all type A suppression, so none of their direct descendants will have white. Belgians and Forests are both type B, so their direct descendants can have stars and stockings, but no body white. So the breeding you did had a 25% chance for enabling white markings, and a 75% chance of total suppression.

[Sunpath]

Might I perhaps pick your brain so to speak on this matter? I am trying to breed a line where blazes are common.

Now I have a stock of mares that have quite bold blazes and no leg white. When paired with a stallion that display no white on neither face or legs, I keep getting foals with huge socks but no face white. And I can't quite identify why this happens. What genes causes this? As I don't want to have any socks above the knee I am rehoming most of the foals, but I saved one as an example: https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4300469

Said mares:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4299591
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4299576
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4299525
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4299585

Stallion:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4278243

And I also have this pair, that gives the same result. Both of these are related to the mares and stallion listed above.
Mare: https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4278617
Stallion: https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4300202

This whole endeavour was going sooo well and then this happens