What Color?

[t0xickitten]

Silver Dapple Tobiano Leopard Snowflake?

Need help determining this Mare as her Colt (Code Breaker), I think is a Smoky version of her?

Yes, with tiger eye. Neither horse has cream.

Going back through, none of the horses in question have cream. They are all just Silver Dapple.

I'm slowly learning the genetic side of things. Thank you so much!

[Silverine]

I'm slowly learning the genetic side of things. Thank you so much!

Tiger Eye can be a big give-away for cream. The silver dapples with bright blue eyes have cream. The ones with green or amber do not (like Celestial Win). CODE: WIN is harder to tell since he doesn't have tiger eye, but his sire does have tiger eye that indicates no cream, and his dam is a blue roan with a foal picture that shows she also does not have cream. I hope that helps.

[t0xickitten]

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Haven't a clue on this lady besides Tobiano. Is she Chestnut based?

[BlackOak2]

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Haven't a clue on this lady besides Tobiano. Is she Chestnut based?

Flaxen chestnut pangare and this one has sooty, that's those dark legs.

[Silverine]

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Haven't a clue on this lady besides Tobiano. Is she Chestnut based?

Flaxen chestnut pangare and this one has sooty, that's those dark legs.

Based on pedigree, the shade of her mane, the sooty on her legs, and the way the game handles the silver gene, this girl is actually a sooty chestnut with silver.

(There was a long conversation on the official discord about certain flaxen chestnuts actually being chestnuts with silver. I'll see if I can dig it up.)

[t0xickitten]

Thank you both, so much! I was thrown off by her darkening legs (thought Bay, but the mane/tail indicated Chestnut, as I thought). The darkening on her legs is Sooty then, as BlackOak2 mentioned prior. Pangare (also known as Mealy, now?) typically lightens the coat, but with the Sooty in play, has darkened it?

[Silverine]

Thank you both, so much! I was thrown off by her darkening legs (thought Bay, but the mane/tail indicated Chestnut, as I thought). The darkening on her legs is Sooty then, as BlackOak2 mentioned prior. Pangare (also known as Mealy, now?) typically lightens the coat, but with the Sooty in play, has darkened it?

No, pangare still lightens. You can see the pangare mostly right where her back leg attaches to her belly. It's also faintly along her belly, as well as on her muzzle and around her eye.

[BlackOak2]

Chestnuts with silver? So the flaxen is actually silver? How then is that possible, if silver affects only black hair? I do remember larissar saying that there's more at work with the flaxen then we're aware.

[Silverine]

Chestnuts with silver? So the flaxen is actually silver? How then is that possible, if silver affects only black hair? I do remember larissar saying that there's more at work with the flaxen then we're aware.

Silver does only affect black hair. But sooty works by adding black hairs. And the silver lightens those. So if you have sooty and silver on a chestnut, the silver will lighten the black hairs from the sooty. I haven't personally seen a verified silver sooty chestnut where the silver lightens the black body hairs, too, but I wouldn't be surprised if they exist.

And I found the discord convo and was going to link the horses, but the breeder rehomed the offspring of the test horse, and the test horse (and its entire pedigree) have no saved images.

[BlackOak2]

Chestnuts with silver? So the flaxen is actually silver? How then is that possible, if silver affects only black hair? I do remember larissar saying that there's more at work with the flaxen then we're aware.

Silver does only affect black hair. But sooty works by adding black hairs. And the silver lightens those. So if you have sooty and silver on a chestnut, the silver will lighten the black hairs from the sooty. I haven't personally seen a verified silver sooty chestnut where the silver lightens the black body hairs, too, but I wouldn't be surprised if they exist.

And I found the discord convo and was going to link the horses, but the breeder rehomed the offspring of the test horse, and the test horse (and its entire pedigree) have no saved images.

As far as I'm aware, sooty doesn't turn the horses hair black but gives them a darker shade of what the hair already is... but... I suppose it could be possible. I just aged out an entire line of black chestnuts and had just started to breed in flaxen to them. They didn't have any silver that I was aware of... but it would've been an interesting trial.

Next time I produce those black chestnuts (because I do intend to do that project) I'll give you and others a heads-up and let people snatch some that might be interested in using them for a test with silver.

But for that horse Stellar Tango, I still think that's flaxen and not silver. Especially since the sooty is on the legs and is not anywhere near the rump or the neck. Plus, silver is supposed to turn black hair silver and not black hair red.
With the upcoming release, I'd question it, but with our current models... I'm not convinced. Well, yet.