i Need Help. Please Help me.

[Leopard Horse]

We all learn the breeding process in our own ways. Once we understand the differences, it becomes much easier.

If breeding from half and part (and not two breed half and part if that's not what the recipe calls for) does not work, then breeding toward fullbred and working directly with them, may be the better way as the process is learned.

To make sure everybody does understand: If the recipe calls for, lets say an arabian crossed to a thoroughbred for a new breed, then using a part arabian and a mixed thoroughbred Will Also Work, as long as there isn't another named breed mixed in.
Plus in a two recipe breed, using the offspring of said cross, so an arabian x thoroughbred to another arabian x thoroughbred, can (Not Will) make the outcome breed.
These are tricks to getting the outcome breed.

What it all comes down to, is the closer the parents are to the outcome breed standard, the higher chance we have of getting that outcome breed. Learn how the breeding works the way it works for you, as you get a handle on it, expand your knowledge. There are quite a few tricks that we all have used to help us along. Some work in one case, others work in another.

Thx, this is really helpful.

[BlackOak2]

We all learn the breeding process in our own ways. Once we understand the differences, it becomes much easier.

If breeding from half and part (and not two breed half and part if that's not what the recipe calls for) does not work, then breeding toward fullbred and working directly with them, may be the better way as the process is learned.

To make sure everybody does understand: If the recipe calls for, lets say an arabian crossed to a thoroughbred for a new breed, then using a part arabian and a mixed thoroughbred Will Also Work, as long as there isn't another named breed mixed in.
Plus in a two recipe breed, using the offspring of said cross, so an arabian x thoroughbred to another arabian x thoroughbred, can (Not Will) make the outcome breed.
These are tricks to getting the outcome breed.

What it all comes down to, is the closer the parents are to the outcome breed standard, the higher chance we have of getting that outcome breed. Learn how the breeding works the way it works for you, as you get a handle on it, expand your knowledge. There are quite a few tricks that we all have used to help us along. Some work in one case, others work in another.

Thx, this is really helpful.

Royale can help direct you to your new breed. If you follow what's offered, you'll get some really in-depth and specialized assistance and I personally think that such assistance is likely exactly what you need to understand what you may be missing.

That said, any of us can offer similar assistance. We have different wordings and different ways to lead to the same conclusion. This is why I said that Royale may be just what you need.

If either of you get stuck, the rest of us are around.

hehe! Don't forget! Enjoy the game!

[Leopard Horse]

Royale can help direct you to your new breed. If you follow what's offered, you'll get some really in-depth and specialized assistance and I personally think that such assistance is likely exactly what you need to understand what you may be missing.

That said, any of us can offer similar assistance. We have different wordings and different ways to lead to the same conclusion. This is why I said that Royale may be just what you need.

If either of you get stuck, the rest of us are around.

hehe! Don't forget! Enjoy the game!

Thx for all the help!

[BlackOak2]

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[Leopard Horse]

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I am in the chat room if you want to talk about it more?

[BlackOak2]

I am in the chat room if you want to talk about it more?

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[Royale Ranch]

Well, sorry for the delayed response... I figure we're in totally different timezone..which always helps..
You’ve read what the other players said. Everyone breeds their horses in a different way… You may, or may not find the way I am showing you helpful. Of course, others are able to step in and help or suggest wherever possible – I’m certainly no expert!
Rather obviously, I don’t know much about the “mixed breeds” as parents, so what I’ll discuss is the full-breeds, according to what the wiki suggests. However, I am little experienced in the “mixed/failed” foal side of things – which BlackOak taught me… but we’ll wait until we get there to discuss that.

Now, the stud that you linked:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1918016

Lets analyse him for himself to start with, as a welsh pony”
Height: 13.3
Build: Medium Heavy
Body size: 78%
Type: 60% pony

Sure, you can analyse the stallion alone, if you like, or we can compare him to the two mares that you already have to see how he fits: (lets to that – with your mares, okay?)

Height: You are looking for a foal with a mature height between 13.0-14.1hh. Both of your mares are quite large, and really, your stud is higher in this range as well. In all honesty, I think it is unlikely that you will achieve a foal of the required height from either of them.
build: You are looking for a foal with a build between light – medium. Your Stud is medium heavy, so you’re going to want a lighter horse to pull it back. Your mare, Ruby, although her stat says “medium,” leans towards the medium/heavy side, so you may not be able to alter the build enough with her. However, the other mare, with a medium light build, is almost guaranteed to produce a foal with a medium build. However, it is important to note that the evaluations do state that Build IS NOT a requirement for breeding. That being said, I personally haven’t produced a foal without the full *5 eval.
body size As I mentioned in my initial analysis, you’re going to struggle with this one… the foal you want must have a body size between 10-30%. The stud is way above this limit, and so is Ruby; and although black hurricane has a 24% body size, it is not going to be enough to meet the requirements.
type So, you’re looking with a foal that’s between 75% horse and 55% pony. So, it’s best to aim for the horse type. Your stud is 60% pony, and you want to drag him back to at least 55. Both your mares are horse-like, so this shouldn’t be a problem at all.

So, all in all, I honestly don’t think that the stud linked will suit the mares you currently have. However, if you match the attached stud with a different mare, he could very well produce the desired offspring.
When you are looking for a partner for the stud linked, you want to look for things like:
Height: as short as possible. He might not make it, simply because of this requirement. but then again, he might surprise you. typically, the Tennessee will be lot taller, but I you’re going to need the shortest that you can find…[defiantly below 15.0hh, I think) Others, more experienced with horse heights, could add their contribute on this.
buildHonestly, you’re going to want a “light/ medium light” for this stud, but a medium MIGHT work…
body sizethe stud’s body size is way, way over what the foal needs to be..so you’re going to want one as small as possible, less than 15%, I think.. the less, the better.
type Horse type, if possible. Shouldn’t need to be too fussy here, but I would try and stick to them, and that should guarantee you a hit.
So, the stud on his own, you’re going to struggle most with height, and then perhaps build….

Actions: I don’t think that the 3 horses we have analysed will produce a foal short enough, or with a small enough % of bulk to create the foal you are looking for. I know they are hard to come by, but you are going to need to look for potential parents with these features. there are a few options: 1. You could buy or stud the relevant horse – except we haven’t found any that fit, yet…. If you ask on the forum someone may have the horse you want tucked away somewhere...? 2. You breed the horses you have found until they ‘fit’ into your desired outcome – again, this may be difficult in the sense that there are limitations for that breed available. or the 3rd option….

Take the breeding recipe back a step, and create the welsh pony yourself, and/or Tennessee yourself. It will take longer, but you will most likely have more control over the foal you produce.
However, you may run into the same problem… again, and again. That, Leopard, is what makes being a breeding farm so fun!

Let me know what you think…!!!

[Leopard Horse]

Well, sorry for the delayed response... I figure we're in totally different timezone..which always helps..
You’ve read what the other players said. Everyone breeds their horses in a different way… You may, or may not find the way I am showing you helpful. Of course, others are able to step in and help or suggest wherever possible – I’m certainly no expert!
Rather obviously, I don’t know much about the “mixed breeds” as parents, so what I’ll discuss is the full-breeds, according to what the wiki suggests. However, I am little experienced in the “mixed/failed” foal side of things – which BlackOak taught me… but we’ll wait until we get there to discuss that.

Now, the stud that you linked:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1918016

Lets analyse him for himself to start with, as a welsh pony”
Height: 13.3
Build: Medium Heavy
Body size: 78%
Type: 60% pony

Sure, you can analyse the stallion alone, if you like, or we can compare him to the two mares that you already have to see how he fits: (lets to that – with your mares, okay?)

Height: You are looking for a foal with a mature height between 13.0-14.1hh. Both of your mares are quite large, and really, your stud is higher in this range as well. In all honesty, I think it is unlikely that you will achieve a foal of the required height from either of them.
build: You are looking for a foal with a build between light – medium. Your Stud is medium heavy, so you’re going to want a lighter horse to pull it back. Your mare, Ruby, although her stat says “medium,” leans towards the medium/heavy side, so you may not be able to alter the build enough with her. However, the other mare, with a medium light build, is almost guaranteed to produce a foal with a medium build. However, it is important to note that the evaluations do state that Build IS NOT a requirement for breeding. That being said, I personally haven’t produced a foal without the full *5 eval.
body size As I mentioned in my initial analysis, you’re going to struggle with this one… the foal you want must have a body size between 10-30%. The stud is way above this limit, and so is Ruby; and although black hurricane has a 24% body size, it is not going to be enough to meet the requirements.
type So, you’re looking with a foal that’s between 75% horse and 55% pony. So, it’s best to aim for the horse type. Your stud is 60% pony, and you want to drag him back to at least 55. Both your mares are horse-like, so this shouldn’t be a problem at all.

So, all in all, I honestly don’t think that the stud linked will suit the mares you currently have. However, if you match the attached stud with a different mare, he could very well produce the desired offspring.
When you are looking for a partner for the stud linked, you want to look for things like:
Height: as short as possible. He might not make it, simply because of this requirement. but then again, he might surprise you. typically, the Tennessee will be lot taller, but I you’re going to need the shortest that you can find…[defiantly below 15.0hh, I think) Others, more experienced with horse heights, could add their contribute on this.
buildHonestly, you’re going to want a “light/ medium light” for this stud, but a medium MIGHT work…
body sizethe stud’s body size is way, way over what the foal needs to be..so you’re going to want one as small as possible, less than 15%, I think.. the less, the better.
type Horse type, if possible. Shouldn’t need to be too fussy here, but I would try and stick to them, and that should guarantee you a hit.
So, the stud on his own, you’re going to struggle most with height, and then perhaps build….

Actions: I don’t think that the 3 horses we have analysed will produce a foal short enough, or with a small enough % of bulk to create the foal you are looking for. I know they are hard to come by, but you are going to need to look for potential parents with these features. there are a few options: 1. You could buy or stud the relevant horse – except we haven’t found any that fit, yet…. If you ask on the forum someone may have the horse you want tucked away somewhere...? 2. You breed the horses you have found until they ‘fit’ into your desired outcome – again, this may be difficult in the sense that there are limitations for that breed available. or the 3rd option….

Take the breeding recipe back a step, and create the welsh pony yourself, and/or Tennessee yourself. It will take longer, but you will most likely have more control over the foal you produce.
However, you may run into the same problem… again, and again. That, Leopard, is what makes being a breeding farm so fun!

Let me know what you think…!!!

Thx this is really helpful. i have this mare that rates a 4* for AWP and 4* for TWH
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1932109

[Royale Ranch]

How are you going with this project? Would be interested to hear if you have made any progress!


ps - i fiddled around with Welsh ponies for you a little but, and am more than willing to hand them over to you for $1 per horse... Some are still not yet purebred, but you may - or may not - be able to do something with them!

They are in this barn for now: http://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/barn/109768
+, i know i have another WP somewhere (99%) but she's hiding from me right now!!!

[Leopard Horse]

How are you going with this project? Would be interested to hear if you have made any progress!


ps - i fiddled around with Welsh ponies for you a little but, and am more than willing to hand them over to you for $1 per horse... Some are still not yet purebred, but you may - or may not - be able to do something with them!

They are in this barn for now: http://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/barn/109768
+, i know i have another WP somewhere (99%) but she's hiding from me right now!!!

lol, yes I have gotten one AWP cold just yesterday. It was out of that TWH mare that I got, and my half Welsh stallion. He is a nice looking colt too. Thx so much for doing that for me. I was looking in the barn, and I saw http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2052621 this mare that I would like to buy. Thx so much!!