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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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EclipticEnd wrote: April 10th, 2024, 11:18 pm
Ealesi wrote: April 10th, 2024, 11:18 pm THanks! Sorry for throwing the last one in, Shes been a mystery for a minute!
All good, happy to help. :)
The irony is this horse is so inbred, somehow this happened. Burn is both her mother and grandmother. :D
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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Ealesi wrote: April 10th, 2024, 11:23 pm
EclipticEnd wrote: April 10th, 2024, 11:18 pm

All good, happy to help. :)
The irony is this horse is so inbred, somehow this happened. Burn is both her mother and grandmother. :D
That happens a lot honestly, no worries. :)
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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EclipticEnd wrote: April 10th, 2024, 11:03 pm
Pure_Breeding wrote: April 10th, 2024, 10:31 pm

Thank you so much! I have a few more, if you wouldn't mind:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4155178
Chestnut Snowcap, may be moreso Fewspot at an older age when varnish covers more of the body. Snowcap is to Fewspot what Blanket is to Leopard, so it's up to you to decide if there's enough coverage to call it Fewspot.

The sire (Pino) has a hidden Flaxen gene so there's a 50/50 on this horse also having one Flaxen gene. If you want to know for sure, breed this one to a visibly Flaxen horse a few times and if any of the foals are visibly Flaxen then this one has a gene.

Also may or may not be Mealy, hard to tell with foals since their foal coat is always Mealy.

ee/??/Fn or nn/tt//LPLP

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3956645

Greying Red Roan Blanket. Some people would say this is "Strawberry Roan" and "Red Roan" is roan on Bay, but I use Red Roan for Chestnut Roans. : )

This horse is Greying. The mother carries Grey and has passed it down as she's a Grey (Silver Bay Dun). You can tell by the (currently) subtle goggles around this foal's eyes. Might carry Seal (written as At for my purposes) via the father and Bay (A) via the mother, but I can't say for certain. I'll write them regardless just for your own reference later when breeding this foal.

This foal might also carry Silver from the mother, maybe the Father as well as I can't really tell if that's Varnish lightening his mane and tail or not. Silver is hidden on Chestnuts just like how Flaxen is hidden on everything but Chestnuts. I do not think this foal inherited Dun.

ee/AAt?/Zn or maybe ZZ or nn?/tN/nRn/LPlp

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4152663

Gold Champagne Leopard I think. What I can see of the mane is the same as the body and the feathers are tinted with the same color rather than something darker. Not Dun I don't think, just the beginning of Varnish popping up which is paling the coloration a bit.

Might be het Tiger Eye. I want to say that without TE genes a Champagne horse's eyes are grey? It's been a while though and I can't remember for certain.

The sire's also a Varnish Gold Champagne and I think the mother's a Varnish Gold Cream. This horse has no foals, and since none of the immediate ancestors show it I'm not sure on what Agouti might be carried here.

ee/??/ChCh/tt/LPlp
Thank you so much! You're amazing.
I hope not to be a pain, but you are so good at this that I have a couple of more:

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4151672
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3871445
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4161998
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4081404
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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Pure_Breeding wrote: April 11th, 2024, 7:58 pm Thank you so much! You're amazing.
I hope not to be a pain, but you are so good at this that I have a couple of more:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4151672
Chestnut Leopard, ee/??/tt/LPlp. The Dam's certainly Metallic so this one could have a subtle variation of that. Sire has a Flaxen foal so this one could be het for the gene. It's not guaranteed as the Sire's also het. Little bit of inbreeding which means the Dam could also have gotten a Flaxen and passed it down. No idea on Agouti; no immediate relatives have extension so I have no clues to go off of. There's one black ancestor which could mean at least one a (non-agouti) gene, but take that with a grain of salt, the separation's big enough that it might not matter.

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3871445
Grey (Buckskin Roan Blanket), Ee or EE/Aa/Crn/Gg/tN/Rn/LPlp. Quite a list of genetics noted in this one's color but I can clarify some things, starting with the fact that Sabino has not yet been added to the game I don't think. Might be in reference to the Snowflakes coming in (LP causes that and this horse has a Blanket) or it could be the Varnish Roaning that's developing (also from LP).

The dam is a Varnish Blue Roan Blanket, het Extension, Black means she can't pass on any Agouti, doesn't appear to carry any Cream or Pearl and the foal very much looks Buckskin so I'll assume she did not.

The Sire does seem to be a Grey (Buckskin Pearl Blanket), some real sneaky Pearl going on there! Got pretty lucky (or unlucky if you don't like Pearl) as it really just did not visually appear in the ancestors. Anyway, this friend's only got a Cream. Buckskin Pearl has a lighter mane and such as the Sire shows since it dilutes the black areas somewhat heavily.

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4161998
Smoky Grulla (or Grullo) Dun Blanket, Ee/aa/Crn/tt/LPlp. Always love some blue eyes, and from what I understand blue Tiger Eyes appear when Cream's involved. The color of the foal is also an indication as it's not as brown toned as a normal Grulla would be.

Very straightforward foal; Black instead of Bay or Seal means no Agouti involved (aa), the Sire's a Gold Cream which is where the Cream's from (Crn) as well as the recessive Extension (Ee).

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4081404
It's a bit early for this one as I'm not great at foals (especially newborns), but I want to say it could be an Amber Cream Blanket, Ee/Aa?/Crn/Chn/LPlp. Might ask me again when it's older. Sire of this one's a lovely representation of Metallic. Might've passed it to the foal, too early to tell. Mother's Champagne, looks like maybe a Gold Cream under all of that white. Eyes are currently grey, I think if they turn green or amber then this foal might be het Tiger Eye.

Not completely certain but I think the agouti is Aa; Sire's het and could've passed either and I'm not sure about the Dam other than she's at least het as well due to a Classic Champagne foal of hers. Aa seems very likely but I can't rule out the other two possibilities (AA or AAt) without seeing this foal's progeny or having the Dam be bred to more Black based horses.
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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EclipticEnd wrote: April 13th, 2024, 12:00 am
Pure_Breeding wrote: April 11th, 2024, 7:58 pm Thank you so much! You're amazing.
I hope not to be a pain, but you are so good at this that I have a couple of more:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4151672
Chestnut Leopard, ee/??/tt/LPlp. The Dam's certainly Metallic so this one could have a subtle variation of that. Sire has a Flaxen foal so this one could be het for the gene. It's not guaranteed as the Sire's also het. Little bit of inbreeding which means the Dam could also have gotten a Flaxen and passed it down. No idea on Agouti; no immediate relatives have extension so I have no clues to go off of. There's one black ancestor which could mean at least one a (non-agouti) gene, but take that with a grain of salt, the separation's big enough that it might not matter.

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/3871445
Grey (Buckskin Roan Blanket), Ee or EE/Aa/Crn/Gg/tN/Rn/LPlp. Quite a list of genetics noted in this one's color but I can clarify some things, starting with the fact that Sabino has not yet been added to the game I don't think. Might be in reference to the Snowflakes coming in (LP causes that and this horse has a Blanket) or it could be the Varnish Roaning that's developing (also from LP).

The dam is a Varnish Blue Roan Blanket, het Extension, Black means she can't pass on any Agouti, doesn't appear to carry any Cream or Pearl and the foal very much looks Buckskin so I'll assume she did not.

The Sire does seem to be a Grey (Buckskin Pearl Blanket), some real sneaky Pearl going on there! Got pretty lucky (or unlucky if you don't like Pearl) as it really just did not visually appear in the ancestors. Anyway, this friend's only got a Cream. Buckskin Pearl has a lighter mane and such as the Sire shows since it dilutes the black areas somewhat heavily.

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4161998
Smoky Grulla (or Grullo) Dun Blanket, Ee/aa/Crn/tt/LPlp. Always love some blue eyes, and from what I understand blue Tiger Eyes appear when Cream's involved. The color of the foal is also an indication as it's not as brown toned as a normal Grulla would be.

Very straightforward foal; Black instead of Bay or Seal means no Agouti involved (aa), the Sire's a Gold Cream which is where the Cream's from (Crn) as well as the recessive Extension (Ee).

https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/4081404
It's a bit early for this one as I'm not great at foals (especially newborns), but I want to say it could be an Amber Cream Blanket, Ee/Aa?/Crn/Chn/LPlp. Might ask me again when it's older. Sire of this one's a lovely representation of Metallic. Might've passed it to the foal, too early to tell. Mother's Champagne, looks like maybe a Gold Cream under all of that white. Eyes are currently grey, I think if they turn green or amber then this foal might be het Tiger Eye.

Not completely certain but I think the agouti is Aa; Sire's het and could've passed either and I'm not sure about the Dam other than she's at least het as well due to a Classic Champagne foal of hers. Aa seems very likely but I can't rule out the other two possibilities (AA or AAt) without seeing this foal's progeny or having the Dam be bred to more Black based horses.
Oh wow, thank you so much!
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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Hi! I am really wondering what is up with her. She has three (soon to be four) foals by the same stallion. The stallion has one (soon-ish to be two) foal not by her, one of which has cream. But her kids don't look like they have cream? She has those dark (well, red) legs so I assumed bay, dun, or both, but how are they so red and the rest of her so pale?

Thanks in advance. :)
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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liia wrote: April 15th, 2024, 11:20 pm https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1567697

Hi! I am really wondering what is up with her. She has three (soon to be four) foals by the same stallion. The stallion has one (soon-ish to be two) foal not by her, one of which has cream. But her kids don't look like they have cream? She has those dark (well, red) legs so I assumed bay, dun, or both, but how are they so red and the rest of her so pale?

Thanks in advance. :)
Peppermint is Grey (Chestnut). Base color's Chestnut and the Grey gene is causing the... well, grey that's taking over the body coloration. The foals simply aren't inheriting the Grey and are therefore more colorful in comparison. Her foal "Poppy" has also inherited the Grey gene from her. Her foal "Pancake" is indeed a Cream carrier. This is because that foal's father is a Smoky Grulla (Cream on a Black Dun). A single Cream doesn't show up on Black horses save for foal pictures which this one won't have due to being from the AC. He's also where the Dun's coming from in those foals.

Genes are probably: ee/AA/Gg. Chestnut is ee, Gg because otherwise all of her foals would be Grey and therefore she must be heterozygous for the gene, AA because every foal from that Grulla stallion carries Bay (Grullas have no agouti and can't pass it down), so either you're getting very lucky and she's passing down her one "A" gene and is actually Aa, or the more likely option which is that she's homozygous for agouti.

TLDR: she's got the Grey gene which is why she's so pale, she doesn't have Cream but the stallion paired with her is het for Cream (single gene carrier) and passed it on to the foal as well as the Dun they've inherited.
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Re: Offering Genetics "Testing"

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Thank you so much for your response! It didn't even occur to me that she might be gray because of that bright red mane, but that makes so much sense. And it makes sense that the father has cream. This was all super interesting : )
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